Really interesting things afoot in social media. It seems like "W", a newly announced "European alternative to X" is actually a fork of the Bluesky code, and is, at least for now, kind of part of the Bluesky AT Proto network. (Thanks to @quillmatiq for the explainer.)
And, apparently #Bluesky board member @mmasnick really doesn't like the idea.
It will be fascinating to see how this develops.
W for ATProto
W is a new platform recently announced, aspiring to be a European alternative to X. It may actually be powered by ATProto, based on leaked screenshots. This is a win for ATProtoBoris Mann (ATProtocol Dev)
Mastodon Migration hat dies geteilt.
them#tic
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •Stewart
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •RE: mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@…
@mastodonmigration @quillmatiq @mmasnick “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Lauren Weinstein (@lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org)
MastodonMike Fraser
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •Anuj Ahooja
Als Antwort auf Mike Fraser • • •@mike This is untrue. There are a number of independent apps across various verticals. Blogging: leaflet, pckt, offprint; Streaming: stream.place; Short-form video: spark; Git: tangled; and so many more, and none of them are directly dependent on Bluesky whatsoever.
This doesn't even count the microblogging competitors coming up that are full-stack independent of Bsky as well (Blacksky, Northsky, Gander, Eurosky etc.)
@mastodonmigration @mmasnick
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Als Antwort auf Anuj Ahooja • • •@mike
Feel like whenever this discussion is joined people start talking past each other.
It may be the case that the ATmosphere can be decentralized. And there may be small scale projects which test this potentiality. But the fact remains that it remains highly centralized.
Rob Ricci @ricci has developed a metric to address this matter
arewedecentralizedyet.online/
The purpose is not to dump on #Bluesky, but rather to establish meaningful context for these discussions.
Are We Decentralized Yet?
arewedecentralizedyet.onlineAnuj Ahooja
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •I was specifically calling out not moving the needle, which the community (and Bluesky for that matter) most definitely is. There are far more fully independent apps and infra in the ATmosphere than folks here give credit for.
I'm not getting into the normal "decentralization" conversation because, yes, we'll talk past each other, and it's difficult to have a meaningful discussion about it here.
@mike @mmasnick @ricci
Mastodon Migration
Als Antwort auf Anuj Ahooja • • •Understand that there are a lot of interesting and creative things going on with AT Proto.
The reason for referencing Rob's AWDY metric is to help with convos like the one between you and Mike. That is, he states it is not meaningfully decentralized and you reply with a list of apps and projects. He's talking about ground truth and you are addressing technological potential.
Perhaps decentralizable and decentralized, although that let's a lot of pushback.
Mastodon Migration
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •So, while you are all here perhaps we should mention the issue of whether AT Proto is in fact really even "decentralizable".
The issue has been raised by @cwebber as to how the network scales geometrically as it goes wide. Have not seen anyone refute this.
dustycloud.org/blog/re-re-blue…
This would render any real efforts to broadly decentralize effectively impossible. Have not seen anyone address this analysis.
Anyone?
Re: Re: Bluesky and Decentralization -- Dustycloud Brainstorms
dustycloud.orgRob Ricci
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •by the way, I posted the Atmosphere equivalent of this map over on Bluesky, or you can load the map and play around, it's interactive and lets you select between the social networks and apply other filters
bsky.app/profile/ricci.io/post…
DoktorZjivago
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •Which raises questions.
If this network is profiling with photo verification etc for all users , will it allow people to connect with other parts of Bluesky, where there are bots or unverified accounts? If so, the purpose is lost. However, if it remains closed to other parts of bluesky, it will most likely be isolated. I don’t think this will take off either way .
GrumpyDad 🇺🇦🇵🇸
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •Marc Keil hat dies geteilt.
Marc Keil
Als Antwort auf GrumpyDad 🇺🇦🇵🇸 • •Human after all
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