Really interesting things afoot in social media. It seems like "W", a newly announced "European alternative to X" is actually a fork of the Bluesky code, and is, at least for now, kind of part of the Bluesky AT Proto network. (Thanks to @quillmatiq for the explainer.)
And, apparently #Bluesky board member @mmasnick really doesn't like the idea.
It will be fascinating to see how this develops.
W for ATProto
W is a new platform recently announced, aspiring to be a European alternative to X. It may actually be powered by ATProto, based on leaked screenshots. This is a win for ATProtoBoris Mann (ATProtocol Dev)
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Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •Mike Fraser
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •Anuj Ahooja
Als Antwort auf Mike Fraser • • •@mike This is untrue. There are a number of independent apps across various verticals. Blogging: leaflet, pckt, offprint; Streaming: stream.place; Short-form video: spark; Git: tangled; and so many more, and none of them are directly dependent on Bluesky whatsoever.
This doesn't even count the microblogging competitors coming up that are full-stack independent of Bsky as well (Blacksky, Northsky, Gander, Eurosky etc.)
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Als Antwort auf Anuj Ahooja • • •@mike
Feel like whenever this discussion is joined people start talking past each other.
It may be the case that the ATmosphere can be decentralized. And there may be small scale projects which test this potentiality. But the fact remains that it remains highly centralized.
Rob Ricci @ricci has developed a metric to address this matter
arewedecentralizedyet.online/
The purpose is not to dump on #Bluesky, but rather to establish meaningful context for these discussions.
Are We Decentralized Yet?
arewedecentralizedyet.onlineAnuj Ahooja
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •I was specifically calling out not moving the needle, which the community (and Bluesky for that matter) most definitely is. There are far more fully independent apps and infra in the ATmosphere than folks here give credit for.
I'm not getting into the normal "decentralization" conversation because, yes, we'll talk past each other, and it's difficult to have a meaningful discussion about it here.
@mike @mmasnick @ricci
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Als Antwort auf Anuj Ahooja • • •Understand that there are a lot of interesting and creative things going on with AT Proto.
The reason for referencing Rob's AWDY metric is to help with convos like the one between you and Mike. That is, he states it is not meaningfully decentralized and you reply with a list of apps and projects. He's talking about ground truth and you are addressing technological potential.
Perhaps decentralizable and decentralized, although that let's a lot of pushback.
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Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •So, while you are all here perhaps we should mention the issue of whether AT Proto is in fact really even "decentralizable".
The issue has been raised by @cwebber as to how the network scales geometrically as it goes wide. Have not seen anyone refute this.
dustycloud.org/blog/re-re-blue…
This would render any real efforts to broadly decentralize effectively impossible. Have not seen anyone address this analysis.
Anyone?
Re: Re: Bluesky and Decentralization -- Dustycloud Brainstorms
dustycloud.orgRob Ricci
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •by the way, I posted the Atmosphere equivalent of this map over on Bluesky, or you can load the map and play around, it's interactive and lets you select between the social networks and apply other filters
bsky.app/profile/ricci.io/post…
Samir Al-Battran
Als Antwort auf Mastodon Migration • • •@mike @ricci
If we want to talk about decentralization, try to switch your account here to another instance and see what happens?
Forget that, try to change your user name and see what happens.
These are basic things that work very well on ATmosphere, things that I believe are core to decentralization which you cannot do
Every protocol has it's faults, let's not put down the ones we don't understand
Mike Fraser
Als Antwort auf Samir Al-Battran • • •Rob Ricci
Als Antwort auf Mike Fraser • • •Clunky does matter: the fact that it's much smoother on atproto, due to design features of the protocol, is great
Mike Fraser
Als Antwort auf Rob Ricci • • •Rob Ricci
Als Antwort auf Mike Fraser • • •Yep, agreed on that front too! If you want to see, from a PDS (where user data is stored) perspective, how many places there are to switch to over on the atmosphere, you can have a look at arewedecentralizedyet.online/ and look at the map or raw data. (this does not tell you how many are accepting signups, though)
Are We Decentralized Yet?
arewedecentralizedyet.onlineBoris Mann
Als Antwort auf Mike Fraser • • •@mike hey Mike Fraser you were in the audience when I gave this talk at #Fedicon weren’t you?
bmannconsulting.com/notes/beyo…
It has a list of some of the many projects in the ATProto ecosystem
Please don’t erase the #ATProto community. We’re on the same side.
Beyond Microblogging: AT Protocol for Building Unique Social Apps
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